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Slamming Meth - What is Slamming?

conlen	Slamming meth? What are the signs? or How can I tell if a meth smoker started to "slam"? Does it mean that his injecting it? I'm so naive? Sorry, I dont want to sound narrow minded? But I never had to deal with meth.
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green eye angel	Re: Slamming meth? Slamming is a term used for injecting. Signs vary from needle marks on bend or arms, top of hands, back of arms, ankle or top of feet. There are various other places that users inject also. You can look for bent spoons, q-tips that have the cotton pulled off at one end and then thrown away, glasses with water in the left sitting around also. The high isn't much different but can be more intense and slammers can be more paranoid sometimes. I know I sweat alot after I would do a "bump" another word for doing a shot. Hope this helped
Tender Heart77	Re: Slamming meth? This is just from being around two people that I know inject it. This is coming from someone who does not no as much as the others on this... This is my observation of someone I know is injecting it. I have seen a few times on his arm where he injected it a bruises where he has missed. I have been told and seen him moving his hand and arms alot...Like he is swimming is suppose to be a sign... No spoons in the house. Bent ones. He uses warm water when he injects it.. Little cups around.. Little cotton balls.. Yea he sweats a whole lot especially right after he injects it....Yep figured that one out..
Hemet chik	Re: Slamming meth? it is easier for men to hide...they tend to have bigger veins..look for marks on neck too, also..bumps...in the areas that he could have shot up...due to missing..can lead to infections...
conlen	Re: Slamming meth? I already looked for tracks I know that much. What about behavior? other than the sweating. anything else? do they tend to be more violent?
Sfj	Re: Slamming meth? I can't find or think of any evidence to substantiate the notion that the effects of slamming are that much different than other routes of administration. I shot it because I enjoyed the rush, the thrill of instant zoom. For some users, injecting meth can be orgasmic - literally. Other than the initial rush, the first few minutes, there's not much difference in the way the drug works upon the Central Nervous System. Violent behavior is not often consitent with meth use. There is some debate on this however, the facts are rather nebulous. I have known hundreds of meth addicts. Far fewer than five percent, in my experience, have ever been violent. Most are reclusive. Violent predisposition may be exacerbated by meth use however.
Naiev Newly wed	Re: Slamming meth? *Quote:* I can't find or think of any evidence to substantiate the notion that the effects of slamming are that much different than other routes of administration In my experience, I beg to differ. I watched the transformation in him from smoking to slamming. There are other differences other than the rush. When slamming, he became unmanageable. Yes, the violence while coming down and fiending for dope were far worse than when he was smoking it. For me, slamming only made me physically ill vs smoking it. Also, the come down was a lot harder...depression, emotionally out of control, violent at times.
Sfj	Re: Slamming meth? Another thing, anatomically, people are different. (That could go without saying huh?) But each person has a different circulatory system. Some people have big prominent veins. Others have hidden, obscure veins. There are people with smooth, blemish free skin. Others have skin that is more discolored etc. I was lucky, (or maybe unlucky, I dunno) but I had large veins that never collapsed, easy to hit. I was the envy of others. My skin healed quickly. I used a clean point every time. Not all addicts are very careful though.
Hemet chik	Re: Slamming meth? This is what I wrote on slamming at AMERICAN METHOLOGY The first time I slammed meth...i drop to my knees..me..yes..to my knees...the love affair began..I could not let it go now.. I began a new love with meth...it became my god, my sex, my soul..it was what i dreamed of in passion. My world..was slamming meth. it gave me satisfaction. P E R I O D If i bought dope..or was given dope..if i had no rig..i did no dope..period. I would not waste my precious love on lines or pipes. I would wait..hold it close until my connection was what i wanted. ohhhhhh...it lied..i believe...i sunk deep it ate me alive....fast. i would not leave the house..i would not sleep..i would not love my kids..i love nothing..there was never love for anything except my meth. the balance of it..was not having balance and having to choose what i wanted...i chose life.. i choose life..because..i want a life..i am living a life...i believe in life. my life...is consumed by the dark thoughts of meth..always... my life is learning how to grow away from that darkness...and be happy
Sfj	Re: Slamming meth? To Naiev Newlywed Do you think it's possible that the degrading behavior may have been caused by advancing addiction? In other words, the bad behavior was the result of increased use? Rather than route of administration? Is it possible?
Hemet chik	Re: Slamming meth? increased use...I would agree on that... um...why does the paranoia get worse over time? would that be increase use too?
Naiev Newly wed	Re: Slamming meth? I believe the increasing bad behavior came with the slamming, not continued use. He was like Hemet...it got to where he wouldn't do it any other way. It was his love affair as well and he cared about nothing else. He would not waste his dope on snorting or smoking. He was not like this while smoking, but changed overnight when he started slamming. The needle is the worse. I strongly believe it has nothing to do with the continued use, but how it's done.
Sfj	Re: Slamming meth? Naiev Newlywed, Ok, you can believe that. I'm not capable of changing the mind of someone who is not going to recognize another way of seeing things. I really wish you'd consider looking beyond your present convictions.
Hemet chik	Re: Slamming meth? sfj...is that why the paranoia gets worse too?
Naiev Newly wed	Re: Slamming meth? *Quote:* I really wish you'd consider looking beyond your present convictions. SFJ, I experienced differences too, not just saw them in him. What's considered an "extended period of time"?
Hemet chik	Re: Slamming meth? I have a couple questions NN...I am not trying to be mean...just curious. have you gone to a drug counselor? have you ever been to rehab? how long did you use meth? have you ever been to a NA meeting? do you research meth addiction? be open, I think I know everything about meth..just because I did it so long. KCI and SFJ mostly, has open my eyes tremendously to what meth addiction is all about...
Naiev Newly wed	Re: Slamming meth? Hi Deb, I've never been to a drug counselor. I've never been to rehab. I used meth heavily for about 4 months. I have been to NA meetings. I've been researching meth addiction for the last year and a half atleast. All I am saying is from my own personal experience and watching my husband, that there was a huge difference in the effects between smoking it and slamming it.
Hemet chik	Re: Slamming meth? I hear what your saying...I mean I went downhill fast when I began shooting, but I think now, it was increase of use...I could go to sleep when I did lines...but when I slammed...shyt I never could...the OCD kick in big time...I dunno, I havent done enough research...on it to say... but from watching your husband, you were high too, right?...did you start by shooting or doing lines?...did it progress in a different direction for you too?
Sfj	Re: Slamming meth? FWIW, The very first hit I ever did, I shot it. (Actually a friend shot me up and taught me how to do it to myself in the process) I started out like many meth users. I'd take a shot once in a while, weekends, then more often and so on. But in the beginning, I was very close to a normal person. As the meth use increased, the bizarre behavior and freakiness increased.
imlost inky	Re: Slamming meth? Just my experience for what it is worth. My sister and I began our addiction much at the same time. She beat me by a few months- not long though and definitely she wasn't a heavy user. She started off smoking then went to slamming.Once she slammed that was all she wrote. That was her love- that is what she dreamed of, that is what she fiened for- that is what she still dreams of sometimes.Even now ,10 years later. I stayed snorting. Her amounts went way more than mine ever did- as did her psychosis, as did her freaky sh!t, as did everything. In my opinion, it is definitely an amount of use. Where at my worst,I did a gram a week - very worst. That was her day.2 days tops. Maybe even more than that. Snorting for my husband was easier to quit than smoking- BUT then, he snorted for a year and a half, 2 tops- and smoked for 3 with heavier use. I don't think it is the method- I think it is the progression of addiction. I don't think slammers are anymore potentially psychotic than any other method of use- it has to do with use itself. EDIT to add: if you snort a sh!tload over a long enough period of time, you will be just as freaked as the slammer. No difference. That I do know. Now I have never slammed, and never will so I will never know firsthand the difference. I am deathly afraid of needles- pass out when they take my blood. This is just my take on it.
Naiev Newly wed	Re: Slamming meth? I was using occassionally with hubby at first. It was a long while before I would slam with him, so I was still smoking while he was slamming. When we still lived together and he started slamming all the time, I stopped using with him...I avoided him at all costs. I just watched what was happening. I've only snorted meth once...it hurt too much so I didn't do it again. That was early on. Going from smoking to slamming was different for me too. Slamming made me physically ill and the come down was horrible. More depressed, out of control, violent at times. Unlike others, when I would do it, I preferred to smoke it, not slam it. I would only slam with him, otherwise, smoke it, so I could tell the difference. I remember telling him that "I couldn't handle the come down, it was too hard on me." So, SFJ...you've always slammed? Have you smoked or snorted? If your first hit was shot...then how can you compare?
Hemet chik	Re: Slamming meth? but usually...slamming is more dope...for me...I started out with half quater...and moved up...per hit...and did a lot of hits in the end...so, you get what I am saying ?quanity increased the bad behavior...that is my understanding from sfj..
imlost inky	Re: Slamming meth? I know someone who only snorted - that is all this person ever did. This person had just as much as my sister did slamming- just as psychotic, just as messed, just as out of control. No difference- none. You believe what you want- it could be slamming has a different effect in the beginning as it gets to where it goes quicker- but it doesn't matter how you use it, you use enough you will lose your mind.However it gets there. Now my husband did say smoking gave him more of a rush than snorting.So much so that he would never have allowed me to smoke as that would have been all she wrote with me. I will never know.
Sfj	Re: Slamming meth? To NN, You’re right. I can’t compare smoking to any other form of administration because I never smoked meth – ever. I didn’t even know that people smoked it until I got clean in rehab. I thought that shooting, snorting, and eating was the way. But I did all three of those quite often. Often enough to realize that the amount of meth is much more significant that the route of administration.
Naiev Newly wed	Re: Slamming meth? The original comment was: *Quote:* I can't find or think of any evidence to substantiate the notion that the effects of slamming are that much different than other routes of administration I'm just the effects were different for me personally, and I witnessed the difference with him. Yes, I will agree that the quantity was more with him when slamming....it was less quantity in the beginning, moved up to an 8-ball every day sometimes...and he went further and further down. But in the initial with me and with him, there was a difference on the affect between smoking and slamming. I agree T, if someone snorts as much as another slams, they will both go insane. I don't argue that.
le grumps	Re: Slamming meth? In all seriousness, I think that there IS a difference in effect. Mainly because you cannot snort or smoke the same quantity of shyt as you can slamming. I could snort a half a gram, sure, but it would take a longer time to trickle down and even then, I wouldn't "get as much". Sure, I'd be high as hell, but still, it's a trickle, not flood. And I don't care how "phat" your hits are, you cannot smoke a half a gram in one puff. You /can/ issue a half a gram in seconds. There lies the difference. You get the high all at once, and in essence you reap the crappy consequences in just as much concentration. "Bootie bumps" (meth enemas) have a very similar effect. Just my opinion, from experience. It was bad when I smoked it, it was OVER the day I hit that first rig. I agree with Naiev.
Sfj	Re: Slamming meth? Yeah, grumps, But you're still saying it is the quantity. A rig with half a gram of crank is very potent and damned near lethal. If you compare a tenth of a gram in a rig with a tenth of a gram snorting, The accumulated effect is simialr.
imlost inky	Re: Slamming meth? That's my thought- quantity over method. I am thinking that anyway. I don't know.
le grumps	Re: Slamming meth? I am saying quantity done in one fell swoop. Which is directly related to route of administration. I could suck more water out of a glass in 3 seconds with a Jack in the Box straw than I could with a coffee straw. Even if I got really good at sucking, (ha ha), there is still only a limited amount of fluid I could suck. Plus there is something to be said about tapping into your bloodstream. It's so accessible and about control and I think that is where the needle obsesion kicks in. Anyway, enough crazy talk.
channa2	Re: Slamming meth? For me Paranoia is usually caused by guilt. The more guilt I have, the more paranoid I may become. Especially if my behavior goes against my morals. If I violate my own morals, especially sex, then shame also slips in and paranoia skyrockets. Slamming, for me intensifies the high, and makes it more sexual, boundaries are crossed, morals violated, and paranoia increases Big Time. Da...the answere...don't use meth, stay in recovery, nurture healthy relationships that agree with my morals.