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Can meth change someone into a monster?
lynne |
Can meth change someone
into a monster?
I have read so many posts about addicts and
their actions and I just wonder: can meth change someone who is
really nice, educated, kind hearted, caring, loving and
responsible into a monster? In other words: if
mother Teresa took meth would she also have become some sex
depraved whore who used and took advantage of people or is
there something mean or bad about someone anyway and the meth
makes it a whole lot worse?
I wonder if my ex who seemed to be nice while away from meth
changed because of a return to heavy use. |
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Bent
But
Not
Broken1 |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
IMO, meth changes the person.
Many "bad" folks on meth become good in recovery. Many good
folks become 'bad' on meth. Those "bad" folks do recover! every
single day! Don't lose hope.
It's an equal opportunity destroyer.
The only way out is to quit and work recovery.
(Somehow, I don't see Mother Teresa ever going the meth route so
this one I'm not going to elaborate on any further.)
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danimal
55 |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
Curious... Just what IS a
"scumbag"?
And who qualifies to determine who is and who isn't one? & BTW
"they" = *US*
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Penel0pe |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
I did some really bad things
that I probably would not have done if I hadn't have been using
meth. Today, part of my recovery means I make amends to people I
have harmed whenever possible unless to do so would do more harm
than good.
That being said, "Scumbag" isn't a label that I like, even
though I am sure it may have fit me quite well from time to
time. I'm also sure you have your own personal reasons for
choosing such a word.
As Danimal said, "They = Us," and most of "Us" here are
"Scumbags" who are in recovery... and trying really hard to be
productive members of society.
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Sfj |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
Here's my two cents.
If you were to give Mother Theresa, or someone like her,
substantial doses of meth over a period of time, she would begin
to change her behavior. At first, she would probably be a
bundle of nerves, and energy that is way too much to comprehend.
She would certainly get thinner, exhibit extreme insomnia, and
lack focus on many things while becoming overly focused on other
things. Hitler used meth for example. He'd focus intently on
some things while ignoring others.
Mother Theresa would become extremely confident, to the point of
arrogance, she would hate being told she was wrong, and wouldn't
like to be told what to do by anyone. Within a few weeks, or
months at most, the molecular structure, the cells in her brain
and central nervous system would begin to go through a serious
biological change. This is very important to consider. It is not
an overnight change and it can't be reversed overnight.
At this point, because she is, after all, Mother Theresa, she
would still have her fundamental goodness, her love of humanity
and her commitment to doing the will of God. But her behavior
and ability to function would start to change against her will.
She has become dependent upon the chemical methamphetamine in
order to act, behave, and function in a somewhat ?normal?
manner. If her system is suddenly deprived of her regular
allotment of the chemical she now needs, she will get very
irritable, tired, fatigued, and quite likely, anger will become
more and more a part of her affect. Her demeanor will
automatically become glum, dour, and gloomy. If she continues to
be deprived of the drug she now needs, she will continue to get
more angry, more depressed, and more and more desperate in her
cravings to get what she needs.
Eventually, she might, quite likely, resort to behaviors, and
activities that violate her core values of honesty, decency,
love and compassion. Especially if violating those values lead
her to getting what she so desperately needs to restore a new
level of homeostasis, or equilibrium.
I could go on and on, but, let me know if any of this makes
sense, before I continue.
FWIW, I consider a scumbag to be a selfish, rude, dishonest,
despicable, loathsome, ill-behaved, depraved, sicko - just like
I was when strung out on meth.
"Scumbag - A person with no sense of propriety, decency or
discretion."
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danimal
55 |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
Yet another term that should be
at the bottom of the ocean, particularly when addicts show up
here looking for compassion and understanding. |
Bent
But
Not
Broken1 |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
and no offense.....just like the
"W" word, "scumbags" is a negative label I refuse to accept just
because I used meth.
All of us still have souls and we still bleed real blood and we
still feel real pain-when using and during recovery.
I do understand anger and the need to vent, and am not
diminishing your need or your pain/hurt/anger/confusion, not at
all.
I'd rather have sticks and stones physically hurting me than
labels/words. What we say has power to heal or hurt.
After seeing the "W" word again, just a gentle reminder that
what we say affects how we feel and how we view the world, or at
least it has the potential to.
gratefully working Celebrate Recovery~
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Sfj |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
Ok, it looks like again, we are
getting away from the question of the original post on this
thread,
"or does meth make them that way? " and squabbling over
terminology.
Would you like me to delete the portion of my post that defines
the "s" word?
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SOS
1988 |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
so you don't believe meth would
do that to you? you think that'd we'd do all these f@cked up
things cuz we're scumbags? if you have such a hard time
believing do it yourself; you'd become a strung out scum bag
like the rest of us were...... At one time in my life i was
optimistic, very very kind hearted, empathetic, and relatively
friendly.....When i was strung out i fantasized about committing homicide and suicide, I lied, I stole, and I
used; with only one thing in mind...staving off/alleviating
withdrawal and come down....and yes meth hurts bad enough for
anyone to do almost anything.....it's an emotional
sickness...and yes i think if it came down to it mother Teresa
would take more $%^&'s than a porn star
for the first two months all i felt was, "this is so f@cking
horrible I want to die, and take someone with me." It's gotten
quite a bit better but i still feel pretty bad sometimes....the
whole experience makes you something you're not......its f2cking
horrible
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forget
suzette |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
depends on the scumbag
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brenda
kays |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
My husband went through an
extreme period of emotional pain when he began to get clean and
thought about the things he had done to family, friends, and
strangers in order to satisfy his drug need - As he explained it
to me - He was not able to feel his conscious while using and
his mind could rationalize and justify all of his actions - Once
clean his sense of conscious returned - I think someone who has
no morals, values, or ethics to begin with aren't going to be
better people when they clean up but I also believe there are
wonderful people who lose themselves to this drug and can return
with time. Look back at who the person was before using and that
should give you a good indicator or who they can become again
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NoMore
4Me |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
I know alcohol emphasizes a
person's characteristics.
I thought Sfj's definition made sense.
Seems like many emotions based on definitions.
We define ourselves.
Sounds like you have a relationship with someone YOU consider a
scumbag.
My question is.. Why would you stay in a situation like that??
Is there enough love to see this through?? Are you informed on
Meth addiction, or addictions of any sort???
Coping skills hon. Ya need some coping skills if this is the
person you intend to walk through this to the end. KNOW that
addictions change a person.
Scumbag? You should NOT categorize people, it seems to bring out
the defensives in most.
In my scumbag days, I did some stuff I'd never do now.
I lacked coping skills back then. I lived in an illusion of my
drugs. I didn't care enough to change.
NOW, in recovery I continually look at myself and sometimes
those around me. I see positive changes.
BEFORE, I looked at everyone else and sometimes myself. Nothing
changed, unless it got worst.
Anyway, hope you come to some terms with your 'scumbag'. Sorry
to hear things are rough.
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teqa
peq |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
SJF
I loved your analogy. I know I strayed from my morals and values
when in my addiction and of course having the mind of an addict
I could make excuses and justify it. To bad the only one I was
fooling was myself.
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silly
veronica |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
And here comes Silly V's
confusion. In one breath, I hear a lot of people say, "Meth gets
too much credit" (SFJ, I've heard you say it many times), along
with other things that the behavior of meth addicts has
something to do with their core being - that a lot of them were
jerks before, so even without the meth, they're still jerks (I'm
not name calling anyone ... just pointing out what I've read in
the last year+).
Pretty much most of the posts above are different than that ...
what has changed? It looks like now most are saying it WAS the
drug that caused them to do this or that (even you SFJ).
What changed? Or is it, again ... just different for everyone.
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luve
piphany |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
Regardless of all the other...
Of course Meth makes people become "other" than themselves! We
wouldn't have a single problem with all of
those wonderfully productive dope addicts if they didn't
become people we don't know and don't like...especially
the ones that do hard jobs that we don't want to do...makes me
think more on the illegal workers doing those jobs that I
wouldn't do....I always tried to pay the Mexican crew members
fairly and maybe even just a bit more than promised because they
worked so hard...finding out they were illegal with made up
social security #'s made me think very poorly of
them....(thieves-creeps-criminals did come to mind) but they had
worked very HARD and done a fairly good job and wow could they
cook up wonders from very little. They were doing
something out of absolute need for money and food. Meth addicts
do things out of absolute need for the drug they are owned by.
I know I got off track, but I guess it just goes to show that
judging without walking in one's shoes and forgetting that meth addicts are very very very sick is
useless.
They do change.
Mother Theresa would probably be sent straight to re-hab and we
wouldn't ever see the effects. Hence, meth addicts had issues
before they ever picked up that kept them separate from those
they love in some way-built armor around their souls so that
Meth could take them away and hold them in bondage.
Meth is illegal-gotta do a lot of things illegal to live with
meth...if you really think about it. Committing illegal act one
brings shame and from there on...the change begins
And Meth DOES change and hurt the BRAIN
Seems like I live my life trying NOT to become what I would call
a "scumbag" If I did meth, I imagine that I would definitely
think of myself as a scumbag and once I thought of myself as
one...I would BE the best scumbag I could be.
Meth addicts that I know and love, tend to do everything they
want to do the best they can-Meth is scum-evil....I think I
probably know some of the best past Meth addicts right
here. They blessedly make the best recovering meth
addicts.
I personally, have found that I have made the mistake of not
giving meth enough credit. That is coming from one looking
on.... |
Lisa |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
I guess I wasn't your average
meth abuser.
I never did anything on meth I wouldn't do without meth.
My personality didn't go through changes. I didn't lie, cheat,
steal or abandon my family.
The one person who knew me before, during and after my active
addiction agrees....the only thing he's ever noticed while I was
high was that I had more energy and could accomplish more and I
"tweaked" on arts and crafts. I've always been somewhat obsessed
with being the best mother I could be, and when I used, I was
SuperMom. Meth took what was already there and magnified it a
hundred-fold.
So, judging from my own experience, I'd say meth exacerbates
traits and characteristics that already lie within the user. If
you're mean, meth will make you meaner. If you're angry, meth
will make you angrier, if you're a workaholic, meth will make
you more so, etc.
I know I'm in the minority here...I used heavily for six years
and never got to the point that some people get to in six months
or a year of using.
I was lucky.
So, I guess I should clarify my last post...FOR ME, TO ME and IN
REGARD TO ME, meth did not change who I was or what I did or how
I acted.
It did, however, forever alter my ability to feel happy. It
robbed me of all my dopamine, and that's a huge price to pay for
some extra energy. |
notold
ash |
Re: Can meth change
someone into a monster?
I dunno but I think the whole
idea of lowered inhibitions says it all.
IMO Lowered inhibitions greatly increases the the chance to
bring out any tendencies you have. Some people act on them some
are more discipline.
With that being said I think it goes both ways. |
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