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Using Meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
UCL
Angel |
Using meth I sensed and
saw evil: Did you?
OK.......I'm
going to open a new can of worms here.
When I used meth, I got to a point where I actually sensed, and
saw, evil.
I saw evil come across the face of some meth users, and I
believed I was seeing meth bringing out the inner evil in
people. I also believed I saw evil being "channeled" through
meth users, who were out of their minds at the time, and had no
idea what was even happening.
THEN,....after I had gotten clean, and had been clean for over a
year......I STILL SAW THE SAME THINGS when I was around any meth
users.
I still believe it to this day...that meth is a creation of, and
a tool of, forces of EVIL.
Whether you call it "Satan", or whatever you call it, by
whatever religion's guidelines...this question really doesn't
have to do with religion at all, but rather, the basic concept
of evil...in whatever way that takes form. Every religion on the
planet personifies that differently.
WHAT I AM ASKING IS...a question I can never seem to get a
straight answer to at meetings, and a question people shy away
from when I ask it......
DO YOU BELIEVE that meth is a creation of, and a tool of, forces
of EVIL?
AND IF YOU BELIEVE THIS, WHAT PHENOMENA HAVE YOU WITNESSED TO
SUPPORT THIS BELIEF???
And yes, I am serious. I want to start a serious discussion on
this. Not a religious discussion, but a spiritual/metaphysical
one. Anybody game? |
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eyes
open83 |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
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DO YOU BELIEVE that meth is a
creation of, and a tool of, forces of EVIL?
is meth evil? yes
is what it does to people evil? absolutely
was it created by evil forces? i don't think so...
i think it is just like any other drug out there, created by
man, used by man... |
JUST
CATS |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
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DO YOU BELIEVE that meth is a
creation of, and a tool of, forces of EVIL?
Yes, I do believe that meth is evil. I saw
it in my ex's eyes too many times. I saw it when he physically
attacked me several times. I swore he was the devil himself. I
can still see those cold, mean eyes!
I think that meth is man created, but when you use it, it opens
you up to evil. Kind of like a Ouija board.
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Imget
inrite |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
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DO YOU BELIEVE that meth is a
creation of, and a tool of, forces of EVIL?
Yes. I also think it takes a very long
time even after your clean to break free from the evil.
I will carry all the damage caused from my addiction with me for
the rest of my life.
I feel things deep within me that were never there before my
addiction. |
Tx
Tigger |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
I believe
that this is why it is called the Devil's Drug |
Loraura |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
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DO YOU BELIEVE that meth is a
creation of, and a tool of, forces of EVIL?
No, I don't.
I believe that some people will abuse just about anything if it
makes them feel good.
That doesn't make the chemical evil. In fact methamphetamine
does have valid medical uses.
In the last 100 years, human civilization has changed
DRASTICALLY. Everything we use in our daily lives, just about,
was invented in the last 100 years. We are changing at an
unheard of fast pace, compared to centuries before us. We will
have some bumps in the road, some mistakes, and some pain that
we don't know how to cope with. |
Penel0pe |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
I think meth
is capable of lowering people's inhibitions enough that it can
alter a person enough to cause them to do evil things - I know
that I did.
Theft, assault, I left my family for another man, I broke the
law at every turn, I did a lot of really f-ed up things to a lot
of people.
I think Alcohol is right up there with meth as far as being the
catalyst for a lot of evil behavior.
Meth is a chemical, booze is a chemical... it's what it does to
our minds that causes us to behave in ways that can be called
"Evil," depending on who you are. |
UCL
Angel |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
I see your
points, all of you. And thank you for responding.
I tend to think it IS the devil's drug, although before meth I
wouldn't have believed there really was a "devil".
In the film "Pulp Fiction" there's this line that says "The
devil's greatest trick was convincing mankind that he didn't
exist." That one creeps me out. What also creeps me
out,...is that two dark, scary psychic ex-tweakers I know used
to quote that line all the time when they were using, and that
unexplained dark phenomena seemed to follow those two around
wherever they went.
Another quote that comes to mind..."Man must be careful when
looking into the abyss, for the abyss also looks back into the
man." (Nietzsche)
And with meth, I don't think the abyss ever completely stops
looking back into the man, or woman.
I think there is some dark part of the human mind that gets
altered permanently from meth use, and changes the personality
permanently, even if just a fraction of a tiny bit that changes.
And maybe the part that never changes back,...the part that gets
changed by meth to begin with...is one of the parts of the brain
science hasn't figured out yet, maybe it's one of the parts
where "science meets mysticism"??
Sort of like what Einstein talked about when he mentioned "standing at the cradle of true art and true science", meaning,
something which is "at the gap between what science could
explain, and what science could not explain...as in,
"metaphysics"?
What I'm trying to say, IS...maybe the parts of the brain that
get amplified and damaged by meth, such as the limbic portions,
etc...are actually areas of where the measurable, tangible
physiological bioelectric brain activity transmutes into the
immeasurable, intangible nonphysical world of the SOUL?? Sort of
crosses over, if you will?
And therefore, WHAT IF...when we do the dark drug of meth, we
are literally opening the "doors of perception", right there in
our brain,...and literally damaging our soul and allowing it to
channel evil through the dark energy that our own soul invites
in?...........
OK, well, I have just freaked my own self out with that one.
LOL! There IS a valid scientific theory in there, I swear, and
in days of yore, I could sit and think on this for hours, but, I
have GOT to go to sleep.
Night-night. |
eyes
open83 |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
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"The devil's greatest trick was
convincing mankind that he didn't exist."
john travolta said that line in
"swordfish".... |
nano
banano |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
Just an
interesting little tid-bit I found on the internet...one way of
looking at it......interesting subject......glad you started
this thread.
Science Versus Ideology
To sober-minded citizens, the pervasiveness of drugs, alcohol,
and cigarettes in society is a source of much angst and
consternation. Drugs become imbued with powers of good or evil:
they can be life-sustaining in the case of antibiotics or
ruinous as with cocaine or heroin.
It is easy to forget that good and evil are not attributes of
drug molecules. In the hands of the wise, poison can be
medicine; in the hands of fools, medicine can become poison.
www.atforum.com/SiteRoot/...er99.shtml |
luve
piphany |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
Indianashe(angel)
It's so odd, I was having a pretend conversation with you last
night or the night before...I was talking with you about how you
felt about the devil and if you, like I, felt that meth was a
tool of the devil. I was asking you if you thought that maybe
you had seen the devil. I was afraid to put the question out on
here because of the touchy feelings that many have on the devil
and whether or not they believe and perhaps shame they feel...
See, I believe what the Bible says in my heart to be truth-real
truth, not because someone told me to, but because I feel it and
I hear God's validation. He (satan) comes to seek, kill and
destroy and that's all. I know that I have seen, felt, heard,
watched, and been surrounded by Satan-I've even been his pawn
many a time in my life. This is not a religious belief. I don't
know that I'm very religious at all-maybe my twin is-I'm a
Gemini I am a Christian and I do fear the devil but I know where
to go for my armor and I have felt the protection of God-Angels
or just plain pure goodness.
I believe in my whole heart that meth is a tool of Satan or evil
whatever ya want to call it. Just another tool to seek, kill and
destroy. I am not silent with any addicts ever on this subject.
I believe it is the core and that's that. I believe 100% that if
we do drugs or anything that takes our mind to another place, we
open ourselves up to evil-the devil, to control us. I also
believe what it says in the Bible about Satan going after the
ones who are walking in the light with God with a specific
purpose of taking them into his fold-away from God's goodness
and light. Jesus' whole purpose was to bring the good news to
the people on earth and then of course to prove our father's
love and give his life and be resurrected...in that good news he
gave the secret to protection from evil was God.
So funny that we were having this conversation in my mind the
other night...I like seeing the connection with you my Indiana
friend |
smbch
06 |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
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Using meth I
sensed and saw evil: Did you?
I'll tell ya this....Before I knew what
meth was, and obviously before I knew my lover was using, I
sensed a darkness about him; very literally like a black aura
surrounding him. And I've never seen this, or an aura of any
color for that matter, on another human being in my life. It was
there! And it was also about that time (hope this doesn't offend
anybody) that sex started getting weirder and weirder with him
as well, that is to say, he started buying the toys and asking
me to do things to him that really creeped me out. I hadn't
thought about "evil forces" since 6th grade catechism class, but
suddenly I couldn't stop thinking about the devil...
The last time I saw J. was about 6 weeks ago. I had let him in
temporarily to help him out; he had been clean for well over a
year, and damn it if he doesn't pass a drug test, get a steady
job, start getting paid regularly, get all comfortable here....
and he starts using again. It was so obvious it was ridiculous!
It didn't help much that he started leaving his smoking
paraphernalia lying around because was he too high to remember
to put away. As he left (per my request) I looked at that face
of his that I love so much, that I'll probably never see again,
and it was as grey as ashes. Sure, we all look pretty bad when
we don't sleep, but this looked just like "death." It almost
took my breathe away, and I'm getting chills now as I write
about it. Too freaking weird, man!!
Oh yeah, there was definitely something metaphysical there that
I had never experienced before. And I wasn't even the one on
it!!! |
Sfj |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
To give
either meth or evil that much credit is more than either
deserves. |
smbch
06 |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
Yeah, well,
I give it a LOT of credit for being a powerful, destructive
force. One that you can actually see. |
danimal
55 |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
How can a
bunch of chemicals mixed together be "evil"?
Wasn't it the hand of man who came up with this concoction?
Aren't we the ones who make the choice to try meth...in spite of
the stark and graphic warnings?
Or did the "devil" make me do it?.
Curious what people from other regions of the world who don't
have a "devil" perceive under the influence of meth
Who IS the scapegoat for our own self deception and self
betrayal?
And what about our freedom of choice, was that taken away by the
hand of "evil"?
Or did we give it up?
I have no other choice than take responsibility for my meth
addiction, and my recovery.
I'm with Suz on this, meth is inert toxic waste...UNTIL we
*choose* to put it in our body.
How smart are we? We lay down for this cheap trick, damage and
kill ourselves in the process...then blame it on meth, the
"devil" or "evil", or some external source OTHER THAN OURSELVES.
Always looking for external sources, objects and events,
*drugs*... to make us feel something we're lacking.
And always looking for a place to shirk our personal
accountability, got to have someone or something to blame this
on.
If it wasn't meth, it would be some form of "forbidden/fermented
fruit". Guaranteed!
In summary. Meth isn't evil....I AM! |
forget
suzette |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
to someone
like loraura or bobbie...
....it's a worthless piece of nothing.
WE animate it.
...anything you loose touch with the "self" doing..
even if it's eating fried chicken too much is gruesome.
the seven deadlies..
vanity, lust, greed, anger, sloth, jealously, and gluttony
are always in some form.......that's my "regulation" analogy.
on another level........I saw what you saw.
every time I held a bag of dope in my hand, before I ever did
it.....I felt evil sort of wake up and look at me.
the same way the universe sort of leaves you opportunities
.......that you catch if you are sober and you don't if you
aren't.
I think yin and yang are always ready to take a cue from you
as to how things lean.
I've had some damn weird things happen to me on speed that are
just.........out of the ordinary.
I often wonder if it's "acute perception" or hallucinations.
.....like.. radio waves, and x rays are there...
...but we don't see em.
Van Gogh could.......that's why his works were "spotty"
I wonder is karma or SOMETHING picks on certain people and
reveals itself.......and not to others. like, ghosts.
........it's a question we never get to know for sure.
pen would say.."anti psychotics calm the visions nicely"
I used to think the universe was slapping me around when I
was on a run. I'd hurt myself in the weirdest ways.
......getting a cut from a daisy petal or some weird thing.
I had bruises all over me all the time......like flat liners.
it's all theory. but it's basically temptation......and
our cross to bear. I turned people on to speed that HATED
it.
....I was always bewildered. |
DSALO1 |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
Dear UCLA
and all the other posters that can relate to her,
Yes...me too...I saw it...I felt it and it was not the spirit of
light...no it wasn't.
It was dark and all things dark...this Meth does not create
marshmallows and rainbows.
If it did...we the heck are we all here needing so much support?
I hear Hitler was on Meth...if this is true.. look what HE DID!
And didn't he die from syphilis...hmmmm.. I say! and then he
killed himself.
(this is just what I heard...is it true. .anyone know).
For Pete Sake!
And don't we whether we are an addict/recovering addict or loved
one feel like we are being tortured deep in our soul? |
forget
suzette |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
It
completely changed my priority list......only one. get
more.
....I never in my life have thrown away everything I cared
about...till I smoked it. I was a bottom
feeder..........it was just so bad. and so hurtful to
"gods suz" |
DSALO1 |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
That was
good Suz (I'm glad you posted that).
Here is something else....
besides doing Meth myself...trying to kill myself and all things
ugly
I have known/know PLENTY of people whom I have been up close and
personal with who were absolutely the most wonderful people
AND NOW THEY ARE NOT
I will say it again
NOW THEY ARE NOT
They are the walking dead.
And this is why we sorrow here on this forum...almost
constantly.
C'mon...if "I choose" to take an aspirin (man made drug) I do
not do horrendous ugly things to people or myself. .don't even
think it.
I'll be honest...a debate about this subject makes my blood
boil. |
Kell
happy |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
I think
there is something to the idea of meth and evil. I think maybe
the lowering of inhibitions and the paranoia.
Also, that movie quote is from The Usual Suspects, not Pulp
Fiction, or Swordfish. |
forget
suzette |
Re: Using meth I sensed and saw evil: Did you?
it's also
very medieval to point at a powder...
.........and declare it "the devil's work"
it's like thinking elves and gnomes are in on it too......they
might be. but it's scare tactics to present it like that.
......"lead us not into temptation, and deliver us from evil"
was written way before meth appeared.
I'm not a xtian.......but I understand the ancient implications
of the text. if we never pick it up........it won't be the
thing that kills you.....maybe......there's cancer, there's
accidents, there's aids, there's diabetes...
....there's suicide, there's insanity...panic attacks,
heart attack...stroke.
it's all a square dance..
temptation is sort of an arranged marriage to death.
.....if you smoke, cancer if you eat a bag of
cookies a day....diabetes......if you worry constantly about
someone else's behavior.
THAT will kill you too.
it's very glamorous to put it in a nifty "urband legend"
sort of mythology.
...don't get me wrong.
I love entertaining the idea....it's very interesting.
.....but it's all theory. the facts are........the less
you "need" the richer you are. that's the whole meaning of
life.
....maybe. it "feels" like to me, everyone is tempted by
something......and the idea is, not to fall into it. and you
win.
heroin is not a pretty addiction........but for some heroin
addicts, meth sucks. to me, heroin sucks.
if I held a bag of H in my hand...
.....no temptation AT ALL for me.
but I bet H users feel "the devil" looking at them when they
hold one...
.....and I bet they don't "feel" the negative force from HOLDING
METH.... it's more like money, another "devil tool"....to barter
for more H.
I knew crack heads in Vegas that sold speed to do crack
......it's just a commodity to them...like food stamps.
the "evil" THEY feel is in their drug of choice......crack..is
no threat to me. no temptation there either.
but it's ruining many people lives right now.
.....whitney houston likes crack better. speeds no bother
for her............crack is.
Oreos may not do it for some people, but when I get a bag.
.........I feel the power gestalt gently saying "no
substitutions"
.....and evil looks up at me, because I'm throwing myself away.
I'm damming my own self. it's all intriguing...
......stephen king wrote "the shining" about booze.
it's all the same thing. |
See also:
Odd behavior when you're high on Meth
Nightmares and evil dreams when using meth?
Can meth change someone into a monster?
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